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10:19 p.m. on December 9, 2007 (EST)
BigSmoke
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Planning a Trip to Mt Whitney July/August 2008

My wife and I plan one big trip a year and are in the beginning planning stages for our 2008 trip.

We are pretty stuck on Mt. Whitney for a couple of reasons.
-we can do it unguided
-we can, if we plan far enough ahead, get one of the 60 per day, overnight passes and camp 2 nights on our way up
-it is the highest peak in the contiguous United States
-side trips to places like El Capitan are possible

Has anyone done Mt. Whitney? My first impression is that is is very crowded judging by the limit they place on trail head passes issued per day. 100 for day hikers and 60 for overnighters. One of the LNT statistics given from the park service is that the 6,000 lbs of human waste were packed out in 2007. Thats a bunch of ca ca.
We would take the main Mt. Whitney Trail from John Muir Wilderness--East Side Entry (INYO NATIONAL FOREST)

If you have experience first or secondhand for this hike please share it. We would be looking at a July/August trip.

Cheers!

Greg

10:24 a.m. on December 10, 2007 (EST)
Bill S
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Re: Planning a Trip to Mt Whitney July/August 2008

"side trips to places like El Cap are possible"?????

Wait! I thought you said you were headed for Whitney??? That's a fair bit of separation. Whitney is the south end of the John Muir Trail. El Cap is in Yosemite, a relatively short hike from the north end of the John Muir Trail, which is a bit over 200 miles of hiking apart. Well, ok, for a "big trip" where you have driven from the east side of the continent to the west side, the drive between the two is only about a full day's drive.

It's been a few years since either Barb or I hiked Whitney by the trail (the climbing routes are much more interesting, and they don't require guides, either). But, first thing is that the purpose of the permit system is to reduce the number of hikers on the trail. There is a major competition for the permits, so make sure your permit request is there at no less than 1 minute of the opening of the block for your chosen dates and that you have a couple of alternative dates (there is a limit on the climbing permits as well, but in that case, there are usually a few walk-ins available within a day or two). Once on the trail, you won't find it particularly crowded. Not like 40 or 50 years ago, pre-permit days, when sometimes up to a thousand people were on the trail on most summer days. By the way, you will also have people coming from the west side and down the Muir Trail from the north. But not everyone makes it to the top, so you probably won't have more than 30 or 40 people on top when you are there.

Depending on how good a shape you are in at the time you start, it isn't really that hard a hike physically. BUT --- you will be going to the top of the highest peak in the Lower 48. This means there is a serious altitude problem. It turns out that physical condition is NOT a predictor of whether you have a problem with AMS (Acute Mountain Sickness) or not. Statistically, men between the ages of roughly 18 and 30 in good physical shape have more problems with AMS (and its severe forms of HAPE and HACE) than any other group. Some people in otherwise excellent shape have serious problems with AMS. My primary care physician, who I see in the backcountry on skis from time to time, doesn't seem to be able to acclimate over 10,000 ft. Jim S, who posts here from time to time and is in excellent shape and with whom I have spent time in the Sierra, is another who has altitude problems. On the other hand, I adjust well, and have not had problems, at least to the top of Denali (highest I have climbed).

So, first thing is to plan on camping at least one night at Whitney Portal (the trailhead you say you will start from). It's too bad you can't camp at Mirror Lake anymore, since that was a good trail camp for acclimatizing. The present campsites are significantly higher, so make for more of an acclimatization problem. Make your hike from the Portal to the camp a very leisurely one. Drink lots of water (hydration helps minimize altitude effects). Make your diet during the climb a high carbo one - fats tend to be hard to digest at altitude, especially hard fats (like you find in bacon, sausage, etc). Proteins (in low-fat form, so very lean meats) provide the longer-term energy. Lots of small snacks and rest stops along the way help a lot.

From just a little below the switchbacks up to the pass, you won't have a water source. So plan on having at least 2 liters of water per person when you reach that point.

I'm not sure why you want to camp 2 days out on the trail. If you camp at the Portal for a day or two, hike up to your campsite at a leisurely pace, get a good night's sleep, then get an early start for the summit, proceed at a leisurely pace, then heading all the way back to your car gets you down from altitude quickly and is easy enough to do.

I will be out of the country until the end of the month, so someone else will have to answer any other questions.

12:07 p.m. on December 10, 2007 (EST)
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Re: Planning a Trip to Mt Whitney July/August 2008

Hi Bill,

You are correct, we have adjusted our perameters for "side trips" since we are coming all the way from the east coast, we just can't fathom going all the way out there and not setting foot in the Yosemite backcountry.

As far as our plan for 2 nights on the mountain, it is mainly for acclimatization since we live at around 100ft above sea level. The two camps we are planning on are Trail Camp and Outpost Camp.

The only potential major snag is getting the permits. I need to book airline tickets but can't even consider it until we get he trailhead passes. If anyone has advice on securing the passes, other than having our three computers up and ready to go when they open up the lotto, please advise.

Cheers,


Greg

12:15 a.m. on December 12, 2007 (EST)
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Re: Planning a Trip to Mt Whitney July/August 2008

If you are worried about getting permits for Whitney, try starting from a different trailhead. That is what I did when I planned my trip this past Aug 2007. We started in Onion Valley and hiked towards Whitney. The major advantage is that we got a chance to properly acclimatize. It was an 8 day trip where we actually got married on the top of Whitney. Check out our website www.jeffandlisaschramm.com.

Happy Trails

Jeff

12:01 a.m. on December 20, 2007 (EST)
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Re: Planning a Trip to Mt Whitney July/August 2008

I climbed Whitney a few years ago with a buddy. We put in for the main trail lottery but didn't get permits. So instead, we climbed the Mountaineer's Route, which ended up being a better choice for us, I think. We hiked to Iceberg Lake the first day and camped there. Made the summit the next day and hiked down to Upper Boy Scout Lake, where we spent the night. That left us a short hike back to the trail head the next day.

The Mountaineer's Route is third class, so it's more than a trail hike, but it's not technical. I really enjoyed the trip and the route. If you have experience hiking off trail and are comfortable with third class scrambles, it would be a good choice.

12:48 a.m. on December 26, 2007 (EST)
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Re: Planning a Trip to Mt Whitney July/August 2008

I think we should be ok. Is any gear such as ropes, crampons, or ice axe needed?

10:27 p.m. on February 25, 2008 (EST)
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Re: Planning a Trip to Mt Whitney July/August 2008

An alternate to Whitney Portal is a start at Horseshoe Meadow or Cottonwood. These trailheads are near Whitney Portal. From them you access the Pacific Crest Trail, head north and pickup the John Muir Trail in Crabtree Meadow for the ascent of Whitney. Exit at Whitney Portal and hitch a ride. Figure 4 good hiking days for this route.

If you know how you do with altitude, acclimation-wise you may be able to get away with just a single night at the trailhead.

7:10 p.m. on February 26, 2008 (EST)
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Re: Planning a Trip to Mt Whitney July/August 2008

On the Mountaineers Route, whether you need technical gear or not depends on your level of experience and the current conditions. If you are used to scrambling up 3rd and 4th class rock, you do not need a rope (it's pretty easy 3rd class, maybe only 2nd class). If any in your party are leery of high places, you will need a rope for their comfort (and know how to belay properly). Depending on the snow conditions (and this is a pretty heavy snow year), you can need ice ax and possibly crampons well into July, or even into August, though usually you don't need them after mid May or early June. Then again, when I first hiked the Whitney trail as a 15 year old, I could have used crampons and ice ax hiking up that August (the switchback section getting up to the saddle was completely covered with snow, and very hard snow at that).

8:34 p.m. on March 31, 2008 (EDT)
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Re: Planning a Trip to Mt Whitney July/August 2008

WOOOOHOOOOOOO!!!!!

We won the lotto!!

No, not millions of dollars, even better and worth more in my eyes, we were granted a Mt. Whitney Wilderness Permit for entry at the main Mt. Whitney Trail!!!

Entry the 11th of August and must exit by the 14th.

I can't tell you how excited I am!! The biggest thing I have hiked other than this was Disappointment Peak in The Grand Tetons at just over 10,000 feet

9:47 p.m. on March 31, 2008 (EDT)
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Re: Planning a Trip to Mt Whitney July/August 2008

Congratulations! Now continue doing those daily hikes around the block and weekly 10 milers (with 20 or 30 pounds) to tone up those muscles (and break in that footgear).

10:36 p.m. on March 31, 2008 (EDT)
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Re: Planning a Trip to Mt Whitney July/August 2008

Thanks Bill, we are both about to bust we are so excited.

Funny you should mention the weighted pack, I was just telling the wife the same thing about 45 minutes ago. We live within walking distance of a Lake (pond by normal standards) that is about 1.7 miles round trip. We are going to start doing nightly walks around the lake with weighted day packs. There is a berm damn on one end of the lake which we will zig zag up and down as we pass by and then back around again.

We hike(trail hiking) about 20-30 miles a month, even through the winter but will have to kick it up a notch to prepare for Whitney.

Every other weekend we will be doing 15 - 20 mile back country hikes with decent elevation accruals.

My biggest concern is going to be acclimatization since we live at around 100 ft. above sea level.

We plan on arriving on the 8th and overnighting in a flophouse somewhere. On the 9th a day hike to elevation from Horseshoe Meadows and on the 10th a day hike to elevation from Onion Valley.

We had no problems in the Tetons at 10,000 to 11,000 feet so I am hopeful we will suffer no ill effects at 14,500.

...as for the footgear, we both have 3 - 4 pairs of boots and they all have a good number of miles under the tread.

12:43 a.m. on April 1, 2008 (EDT)
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Re: Planning a Trip to Mt Whitney July/August 2008

Ah, yes, acclimatization. Well, you could spring the big bucks for one of those oxygen deprivation tents that are supposed to simulate high altitude.

As you know, 9-10 thousand is where people start having problems if they head up too fast. The two preliminary day hikes will help. But if you could camp overnight at altitude for one of them, it would be better. For example, if you could camp the night before you leave the Portal at the campground there (abt 8500 ft, if I recall), having done the two dayhikes you mention, that would help more than staying in one of the Lone Pine motels.

As they say on Kilimanjaro, polepole (= slowly, very slowly). Take the hike up to your high camp slowly, shooting lots of photos and enjoying the spectacular scenery. You have plenty of time, so take all day for the first leg, slowly enough that you are breathing through your nose, not having to breather through your mouth. Summit day you can push a bit harder, but still pay attention to what your body is telling you - slow enough pace that you don't have to stop, but a steady pace (the old tortoise and hare business - rush too fast and you waste time sitting and recovering, plus boost your chances of AMS). Hopefully, like me, you will adjust easily.

Keep us informed!

9:50 p.m. on April 3, 2008 (EDT)
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Re: Planning a Trip to Mt Whitney July/August 2008

Todd Vogel, the Education and Stewardship director for the Friends of the Inyo, regularly guides trips up Mt. Whitney. He gave lots of good advice in an interview we produced a year ago last fall: http://www.wildebeat.net/index.cgi/2006/10/19#E061

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